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TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 8291
INFO SECDEF/ WASHDC IMMEDIATE
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FROM US MBFR REP
EO: 11652 GDS
TOGS: PARM
SUB J : MBFR: APRIL 1 DISCUSSION WITH SOVIET REP ON HUNGARIAN ISSUE
REF: VIENNA 2621
1. BEGIN SUMMARY. US REP MET WITH SOVIET REP KVITSINSKIY AT 1 100
HOURS LOCAL TIME, SUNDAY, APRIL 1 . US REP TOOK LINE SET FORTH IN
PARA 14 OF REFTEL. KVITSINSKIY SAID HIS INITIAL REACTION WAS THAT
TO ADD THE PHRASE " ABOUT FORCES AND TERRITORY IN CENTRAL EUROPE"
TO THE ENLARGEMENT FORMULA WOULD PRECLUDE SOVIETS FROM DISCUSSING
ITALY IF AND WHEN THE HUNGARIAN ISSUE WERE RAISED IN NEGOTIATIONS.
FOR THIS REASONS, HE DOUBTED ITS ACCEPTABILITY. REGARDING UNILAT-
ERAL STATEMENTS, KVITSINSKIY SAID HE THOUGHT THE EAST WOULD WISH
TO MAKE A REPLY TO THE EFFECT THAT THE WESTERN STATEMENT WAS NOT
BINDING. US REP OBJECTED THIS WOULD DEPRIVE STATEMENTS OF THEIR
VALUE. KVITSINSKIY AGAIN RAISED QUESTION OF NOMENCLATURE OF FRG.
KVITSINSKIY SAID HE WOULD REPORT CONVERSATION TO MOSCOW THAT DAY
AND HOPE FOR NEW INSTRUCTIONS BY THE EVENING OF APRIL 2. END
SUMMARY.
2. US REP MET WITH SOVIET REP KVITSINSKIY AT 1 100 HOURS LOCAL
TIME, APRIL 1 ( STATE 59982 NOT RECEIVED HERE UNTIL 1058 LOCAL
TIME). US REP TOLD KVITSINSKIY HE HAD REPORTED HIS REMARKS OF
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MARCH 30 TOGETHER WITH THE SUGGESTED SOVIET TEXT TO THE DEPART
MENT. AS HE READ THE SITUATION IN THE DEPARTMENT, HE DID NOT
BELIEVE THE LATTER WOULD WISH TO CONSIDER A SOLUTION WHICH DID NOT
LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBLE INCLUSION OF HUNGARY FOR LATER DECISION,
WHICH CONTAINED AN ENLARGEMENT CLAUSE WHICH IN ITS PRESENT FORMU-
LATION MAINLY SERVED SOVIET INTERESTS, AND WHICH MADE NO PROVISION
FOR TREATMENT OF THE HUNGARIAN ISSUE IN A NEUTRAL WAY. HE BELIEV-
ED THIS SITUATION MIGHT BE CHANGED IF THE SOVIETS WERE WILLING TO
ACCEPT INCLUSION IN THE TEXT OF A POSSIBLE ENLARGEMENT FORMULA
OF THE PHRASE " WITH FORCES OR TERRITORY IN CENTRAL EUROPE" AFTER
THE PHRASE " IF ANOTHER STATE" AND ALSO TO AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD
EITHER BE AN AGREED STATEMENT ON HUNGARY OR AN UNCONTESTED ALLIED
STATEMENT ALONG THE LINES OF THE SECOND AND FOURTH CONCEPTS AD-
VANCED BY THE ALLIED REPS ON MARCH 28. US REP SAID HE THOUGHT AL-
LIES WOULD BE WILLING TO DISCUSS THE LANGUAGE OF SUCH STATEMENTS
AND MAKE POSSIBLE CHANGES, AS LONG AS THEIR MAIN LINES WERE PRE-
SERVED. HE SAID THAT IN VIEW OF THE SENSITIVITIES SHOWN BY THE
HUNGARIANS, IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO CONSIDER CUTTING BACK SOMWHAT
ON THE FORMULATION OF THE SUGGESTED HUNGARIAN STATEMENT WHILE PRE-
SERVING ITS MAIN LINES. AS REGARDS OTHER ASPECTS OF THE SOVIET
PAPER, HE WOULD RETURN TO THEM AT A LATER POINT. HE MERELY WISHED
TO NOTE AT THIS POINT THAT HE HAD SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE SIGNI-
FICANCE OF THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE PROPOSED ENLARGEMENT FORMULA.
3. AFTER EXAMINING THE SUGGESTED ADDITION TO THE ENLARGEMENT FOR-
MULA, WHICH HE HAD WRITTEN INTO THE SOVIET TEXT OF THE PROCEDURES
PAPER, KVITSINSKIY SAID HE DID NOT THINK THIS FORMULA WOULD PROVE
VERY ATTRACTIVE. IT WOULD PREVENT THE EAST FROM RAISING THE QUES-
TION OF ITALY DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS IF THE ALLIES RAISED THE
HUNGARIAN ISSUE. IT COULD ONLY BE CONSIDERED, HE THOUGHT, IF THE
PHRASE READ, " WITH FORCES OR TERRITORY IN THE STRATEGIC AREA OF
CENTRAL EUROPE," WHICH IN THE SOVIET DEFINITION WOULD INCLUDE
ITALY. US REP SAID SOVIETS SHOULD NOT ASK FOR TOO MUCH. IF THE
ENLARGEMENT FORMULA THEY HAD PROPOSED WERE TO BE FURTHER CONSID-
ERED, IT WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF ESTABLISHING THREE BARRIERS
AGAINST ARBITRARY TREATMENT OF THE HUNGARIAN ISSUE WHICH SHOULD
PROVIDE FULL PROTECTION TO EASTERN INTERESTS: THE DECISION TO
BRING IN HUNGARY WOULD HAVE TO BE BY CONSENSUS; IT WOULD HAVE TO
BE AT THE DESIRE OF HUNGARY; AND THE SOVIETS COULD ALSO ARGUE ON
THE BASIS OF PREJUDICING THEIR SECURITY IF THIS SENTENCE WERE RE-
TAINED IN ITS PRESENT FORM. KVITSINSKIY REPEATED THAT HE DID NOT
THINK THE FORMULA WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. US REP SAID HE SHOULD
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4. KVITSINSKIY SAID AS HE UNDERSTOOD THE MOSCOW VIEWPOINT, IT
DID NOT APPROVE USING EXCHANGES OF STATEMENTS OR AN UNCONTESTED
WESTERN STATEMENT. IF IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE WERE TO BE A
WESTERN STATEMENT, THERE WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO BE AN EASTERN
STATEMENT WHICH SAID THE WESTERN STATEMENT WAS NOT BINDING. US
REP SAID ANY STATEMENTS THAT MIGHT BE MADE WOULD LOOSE THEIR EF-
FECT IF THEY WERE CONTESTED. HE DID NOT AT THIS TIME SEE ANY
POSSIBILITY OF AN OUTCOME UNLESS HIS SUGGESTIONS WERE SERIOUSLY
CONSIDERED AND ACTED UPON.
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5. KVITSINSKIY RAISED THE QUESTION OF NOMENCLATURE OF THE FEDERAL
REPUBLIC OF GERMANY IN THE LIST OF PARTICIPANTS. HE SAID SOVIET
EMBASSY HELSINKI HAD REPORTED THAT THE FERERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY
WAS LISTED UNDER THE FRENCH ALPHABET AS " REPUBLIQUE FEDERAL
D' ALLEMANDE." NEITHER WAS LISTED WITH THE WORD FOR GERMANY
FIRST. KVITSINSKIY SAID THAT HIS AUTHORITIES ATTACHED IMPORTANCE
TO THIS MATTER AND INSISTED THAT THE VIENNA TALKS NOT BE USED
TO LAUNCH A NEW FEDERAL GERMAN EFFORT TO CLAIM STATUS WHICH
IT DID NOT POSSESS. US REP SAID HIS UNDERSTANDING OF THE
HELSINKI PROCEDURE WAS QUITE DIFFERENT AND THAT HE CON-
SIDERED FEDERAL GERMAN DESIRES TO BE LISTED AS " GERMANY,
FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF" WHOLLY REASONABLE IN THE LIGHT OF THE
ACTUAL HELSINKI PRACTICE AND OF THE FACT THAT MOST WORLD
COUNTRIES WERE LISTED BY THEIR GEOGRAPHIC DESIGNATORS; AND
COUNTRIES LIKE THE US AND USSR WERE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS GENERAL
RULE. HE URGED KVITSINSKIY TO CHECK AGAIN AS TO THE PRACTICE
IN HELSINKI.
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6. KVITSINSKIY SAID HE WOULD DISCUSS THIS CONVERSATION WITH
KHLESTOV AND TIMERBAYEV, REPORT IT TO MOSCOW, AND HOPED TO HAVE
SOME RESPONSE BY THE EVENING OF APRIL 2. AT END OF QUADRILATERAL
TALK WITH NETHERLANDS, US, HUNGARIAN AND SOVIET REPS ON MORNING
OF APRIL2, KVITSINSKIY TOLD US REP PRIVATELY THAT THE DID NOT
EXPECT FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS UNTIL APRIL 3. HUMES
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Draft Date: 02 APR 1973
Decaption Date: 28 MAY 2004
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